There’s been a lot of buzz about Kirstie Alley’s new vitamin supplements marketed as weight loss aids, Organic Liaison, and it’s connections to the Scientology cult, of which she’s a defensive member. Some of the testimonial videos were filmed on location at the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater Florida, which is owned by Scientology (and is where Lisa McPherson met her end.) Some of the advisory board members are easily googled as Scientologists, and the address for the company is the same as a Scientologist accountant. Perhaps the most damning connection to the Scientology are the supplements themselves, which seem very similar to the “purification rundown” vitamins used in a cult ritual. (Gawker has more on that.)
All of this has lead to speculation that Organic Liaison is just a front for Scientology. It may very well be, but Kirstie isn’t admitting to anything. She denied in an appearance on the Today Show that there was any connection between the two groups. Then she held a press event in which she accused the Today Show of anti-religious bigotry for even asking her the question. She also said that the journalist who appeared on the Today Show, Roger Friedman, had a “libelous” tweet for claiming she lied on the show by denying Scientology’s involvement. This is very typical for anyone involved in that cult. They have a policy of filing often frivolous lawsuits against anyone who questions them. They call it “Fair Game” and use it to try and silence their detractors. Here’s what Kirstie said:
Kirstie Alley claims she was “ambushed” during a March 16 interview on NBC’s ‘Today Show’ when reporter Meredith Vieira asked her directly if her Organic Liaison diet program is connected to Scientology. The question came right after her opening segment — in which the Hollywood Reporter’s Roger Friedman claimed Alley’s company was made of top-level Scientologists. After denying the claims on national TV, Alley spoke to PopEater about the “lies and myths” he brought to the the forefront of the national media.
“If you Google Mr. Friedman, you’ll see he has had longtime problems with Scientology. He has written numerous articles against them,” Alley said at a private press event on Wednesday afternoon. “That I need to clarify or defend the intentions of my L.L.C. business corporation, in the year 2010 is indicative of the intolerance that we as a country need to overcome. However, after the ‘Today Show’ brought fringe bigotry and intolerance into the forefront of the national media, I feel compelled to clarify two issues,” she said.
Alley, who has been a Scientologist for over 30 years, is one of several Hollywood celebrities, including Tom Cruise and John Travolta, who are members of the religion founded by L. Ron Hubbard. During the ‘Today’ segment, Friedman said claimed, “There are a lot of questions about how close these two groups are, and whether this isn’t just a front for Scientology.”
“There was a claim that my product is a front for Scientology. This is not true. Organic Liaison is its own L.L.C. and is not affiliated with The Church of Scientology or the World Institute of Scientology. The proof is in the numbers,” she continues. “Out of the 25 approximate employees, there may be 26, of Organic Liaison, 4 are Scientologists. Organic Liaison does not discriminate in its hiring practices, including religion … It boils down to roughly 10% of my company is Scientologists, 90% are non-Scientologists,” Alley added.
Alley alleges that after the interview aired, Friedman posted the following message on Twitter: “Kirstie Alley lies on The Today Show about Scientology connection.”
“After twittering that he was libelous and that I was going to have my attorneys get involved, he changed it to, ‘Kristie Alley gets it wrong on Today Show about Scientology Connection,'” she said.
“What shocked me was I’m so proud of my show [‘Kirstie Alley’s Big Life’] and went on ‘Today Show’ to talk about it. It isn’t that I can’t answer a question about speculation. What threw me off was it was like, ‘Do you still beat your wife?'” she said. “When I saw they were using [Friedman] as the source, [I knew] it was am ambush. And that is what led the introduction to my show.”
Alley claims she didn’t even know there was any speculation about her diet program being linked to Scientology. “I was sitting in a position where I didn’t know this was being said. So when I was asked about it, I really didn’t know it was being brought to the forefront… I was caught off guard. The truth always will prevail,” she said.
Alley also claims that if she wanted this to be a Scientology company exclusively, she would “have made it that way.” “I would have told the world and touted that,” she said. She backs her company, saying her team includes the “best people I could find in the world” and that “[her] company and these products are going to help people.”
Alley still remains unsettled by the continuous attacks on the religion and believes people are just curious about the “outspoken” believers. “It was odd. You would never ask like, ‘What religion is Jenny Craig?’ No one knows and no one cares. You’d never be like, ‘Is this a front for the Methodist church?'” she points out.
“Why speculation goes mainstream is still beyond me. It’s gone on forever. I’ve been a Scientologist for over 30 years. I think a lot of things are sensationalized. The media can throw ‘The controversial Church of Scientology — and the fat girl in their religion.’ That’s funny. I thought there were like eight f***ing million fat Catholics,” she joked.
Alley continues to back her weight loss company, Organic Liaison, and says the attacks are “another form of fear and intolerance. If you look at the history of any religion, you see these huge moments of way intolerant persecution. This stems from that. It’s a cheap shot.”
[From Popeater]
This is what Scientologists do. When people question them, they attack them personally and call it “bigotry” and “religous intolerance.” Nevermind what they’re accused of doing to countless people and families. This isn’t about what Kirstie believes or what religion she practices, it’s about using a diet company to secretly give religious treatments to people under the guise of helping them. She’s so defensive and angry that anyone dared make that connection that she’s lashing out. I hope her reality show is a big fat flop.
Oh, and that weird crap that Kirstie threw out there comparing being asked a legitimate question to someone asking “Do you still beat your wife?” – that’s what Scientologists do to protestors and anyone they’re trying to harass. I’ve seen videos of this on YouTube, and they regularly make up strange accusations and shout them at people. It’s called “bull baiting” and “manufacturing crimes.” So all Kirstie can do to respond to this is to rant that they’re not tolerating her religion and are attacking her, when that’s what her “religion” regularly does to everyone that questions them. The thing is, she did respond pretty well on The Today Show (you can watch the video on Popeater) and they barely focused on the connection to Scientology after she said it wasn’t true. Meredith was kind and gave her a platform to plug her products and TV show. All Kirstie had to do was drop it and the Scientology connection wouldn’t have received as much press. Kirstie has been called out and she can’t handle it at all.
Scientology is a cult.
It is a legitimate question, Kirstie, because every “program” the “Church” of Scientology creates is a sham, and a money-making scheme. None of it is based in real science, but all of it is based in taking people’s money and promoting the delusions of Scientology’s followers that their cult has the answers to all the world’s problems (from health care to education). In reality, they are talking out of their ass. How many firefighters were cured of cancer after the 911 disaster by taking sauna and vitamin treatments????
That said, why would anyone buy anything from Kirstie Alley? Especially regarding diet and weight loss??????
If all of the accounting, addresses, and board members of Jenny Craig were Methodists leaders, you’d bet people would ask if they’re connected!
Kirstie could have answered that having been in CoS for 30 years she’s developed a lot of business relationships with other members, and yes some of those people are part of this company, but it’s not a “front” for it (though I think it is). But instead, like Kaiser said, she got all defensive and angry about it, and fully denying it when there’s proof there are at least similar associations only makes her look foolish.
You KNEW she would get back at NBC!
Why would anyone buy pills from a celebrity? I don’t even buy perfume with celebrity names stamped on them much less something to put into my body.
No thanks! I’d much rather go with a company that has been around for a while and has legitimate scientists, doctors to formulate vitamins.
Scientology sounds like a dangerous cult. Especially to people who don’t have celebrity status. Haven’t people lost their life savings to the church and are harassed when they try to leave? No thanks!
It’s been said before, but seriously – who would buy a diet product being shilled by Kirstie Alley? Scientology or no Scientology, the product CLEARLY DOES NOT WORK! 😀
I wondered when the shrieking would start. I had the show on in the background and heard Meredith grilling Kirstie about Scientology and she was getting really irritated.
You’re glib, Meredith. Glib!
I think with the “do you still beat your wife” thing she may have been referencing the Gary Coleman interview on Extra or whatever that was, where the woman kind of egged him on.
Either way, Scientology IS a total cult and anyone associated with it deserves to have their motives questioned. It amazes me that these major celebrities fall SO hard for it. What is it about these people that makes them so susceptible to that cult in particular? It must really feed their massive egos or something…although I never pegged Kirstie as having a massive ego. I just don’t get it.
Scientology kills people. It is dangerous. This is why most of the time when Anonymous protests Co$ buildings, they wear masks or overwise try to hide their faces. There have been many accounts of these protesters being followed back to their cars or accosted on the street by scientologists, demanding thier names. It’s scary shit, for sure. If they wanted to, the Co$ could have you killed and make it look like an accident or suicide. Of this I have no doubts.
If Kirstie is a proud Scientologist, then why would she have to defend her company from being associated with it? You would think she’d welcome the association.
What is the official Scientology position on homosexuality?
I ask, because my armchair diagnosis of Kirstie Alley’s weight problem is that she is a lesbian woman in denial.
I think that her former husband, Parker Stevenson, is probably gay, too.
She should talk to Karl Lagerfield. Based on CB’s story about him this morning, he’s got a refreshingly mature and realistic attitude about sexuality.
Tess – that they can “cure” you of it.
there are several high profile $cientos who are rumored to be gay.
Cruise and Travolta come to mind, of course…and now that you say that about Kirstie, it makes a bit of sense.
why do they keep giving these batshit crazy broad a forum on which to spout her stupid views. why would anyone buy diet anything from someone this fat?
Tess, I find most of what you say interesting and something to think about. Lagerfeld, however, is a narcissistic old prune.
People are right about her products. Why would anyone buy a diet product from someone who is clearly the antithesis of the products’ advertised results? Also, the Methodist religion does not advertise an ability to transform people the way Scientology does. Alley would have been smarter to forget the diet company and just do the show.
I’ve got my gripes about religions period but to follow something so OBVIOUSLY fabricated by a hack science fiction author is absolutely ridiculous. It’s almost frightening the amount of idiots that actually believe all that non sense. People are really dumb.
thank you nikki,…look at all of the WARS started in the name of God…i’m no athiest, but why does it bother people so much what others believe???
Kirstie’s shrieking defenses of her “religion” are hallmarks of people whose committments to their beliefs are not grounded in reason.
Sort of like the failblog.org picture of a church sign that said something like “critical thinking is the devil’s playground”. Inability to withstand reasonable queries = fail.
Also, I’ll spend my weight-loss-product money on something supported by 1) real doctors 2) thin people. Thanks.
Lena, who is Nikki?
I used to like and defend Kirstie but now Im just getting annoyed by her.
The whole Scientology thing is a bunch of hooey and so are any ‘weight loss supplements’ endorsed by her or anyone else for that matter.
They’re both billion dollar industries b/c people look for a quick fix for everything, whether its losing weight from a pill or allegedly curing yourself with this man-made religion hooey that requires a substantial donation just to be a part of their religion.
Bunch of crap all of it.
Buying diet pills from Kirstie Alley is like buying condoms from Michelle Duggar.
I just cant understand how people fall for this crap? Come worship (ie give us your money) and we will cure you of being gay or being ill or being depressed with bizarre rituals that will stuptefy the general public. Kinda like a circus freak sideshow-REALLY. Come one come all…
L Ron Hubbard was a SCIENCE FICTION AUTHOR he created a whole world that people believe in just by writing a story and calling it their bible…thats like going to see avatar and deciding in my head for certain that I will wake up there…how can someone know for certain that Zenu existed at the beginning of time? Where is there any SCIENTIFIC evidence??? They are called scientologists after all..wheres the science? They are all bat. shit. crazy.
Is this woman delusional? She’s balloons up and down the scale; and now she’s obese. Again. Who would buy ANY alleged weight-loss products from her??
mistral…there was a post when i posted…i guess it got taken down????
in germany scientology is not considered a religion.
All bloomin’ religions are cults, hers is just a newer version, but just as wacky.
The “are you still beating your wife?” question is standard. Tommy Davis, spokesman for the cult, uses it in interviews whenever he’s asked an awkward question, you can see other Scientologists using it on YouTube and if you ever get in an argument with a Scientologist, they’re guaranteed to use it at some point. It’s blatantly something cult members have been told is a guaranteed winner.
If she had acted with dignity and just left well enough alone, she could have walked away from that interview and no one would have said much except that she’s a fatty McFat Liarpants. She *could* have gotten more air time if she’d kept her mouth shut—but to go after Meredith and NBC like that? She just ensured, with that petty display, that no other legitimate network will interview her. She pretty much just made sure no one else will talk to her (except maybe to rile her up again for laughs, which I would totally watch with glee), and her *business* will fail. I am certain it would have failed anyway, but she sped up the process admirably. 😀
Whoever said taking weight loss pills from her is like buying condoms from Michelle Duggar—LOL AWESOME!!
She really is batshit crazy. Wow. Those poor kids of hers.
What is this “Do you still beat your wife” question people are talking about? Not sure how it works and I read the article above but still couldn’t figure it out.
Many Christians only rub financial elbows with Christians.
Tons of Jewish people keep their $$ with their own people and profits for only their own country.
So, um…..Kirstie does the same with her scientologist people with a single diet product and it’s a problem?
Oh good gawd.
Tess:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:08 pm What is the official Scientology position on homosexuality?
I ask, because my armchair diagnosis of Kirstie Alley’s weight problem is that she is a lesbian woman in denial.
I think that her former husband, Parker Stevenson, is probably gay, too.
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When did anyone see Parker Stevenson last? It’s almost like he’s in the wintess protection program.
Nice try, lena – they don’t take posts down here unless you post under two different names.
And no, yae, it’s because they kill people.
For those confused about the “are you still beating your wife” thing:
A loaded question is an informal fallacy or logical fallacy. It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to be those that serve the questioner’s agenda.
An example of this is the question “Are you still beating your wife/husband?” Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he or she will admit to having a spouse, and having beaten them at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.
Thank you, Wikipedia! So basically, it’s a really douchey way to tongue-tie, trip up and all-around humiliate the person you’re supposed to be having a serious debate with. But of course Scientologists are all crazy, so it’s impossible to expect them to answer anything in a straight manner. They love to personally attack people who bring up Scientology’s wrongdoings, and won’t hesitate to pretty much destroy your life unless you stop speaking and acting against them.
Eat less. Move more.
Heh. Reminds me of the day I told my family that I’m bi-polar and had to start taking anti-depressants. Reason for taking pills? ‘Xenu willed it to be so.’ We chuckled.
Laughing burn calories, which is nice…
@Shay
I saw Parker Stevenson by chance on some random documentary/interview show about a year ago.
I was pretty shocked at how effeminate he seemed. Not at all the old Hardy Boy presentation.
Scientology definitely has cult-like characteristics – enough for even me, who has not researched it in depth, to recognize that it is a CULT.
Kirstie, unfortunately, has spiraled downward from a once beautiful woman with talent, into a freakish sideshow who is mostly just pathetic.
One thing I notice on here, there is always all these comments about celebs “really” being gay but not publicly. I mean it comes up ALOT with so many different celebs that one wonders if all of Hollywood is secretly gay or wants to be! I have no issue with the sexual preference thing. Just an observation and wondering why it is so often in the comments.
Scout:
“There is some evidence that Hubbard’s Dianetics movement sought to use Dianetics to “cure” homosexuality. In January 1951, the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation of Elizabeth, NJ published Dianetic Processing: A Brief Survey of Research Projects and Preliminary Results, a booklet providing the results of psychometric tests conducted on 88 people undergoing Dianetics therapy. It presents case histories and a number of X-ray plates to support claims that Dianetics had cured “aberrations” including manic depression, asthma, arthritis, colitis and “overt homosexuality,” and that after Dianetic processing, test subjects experienced significantly increased scores on a standardized IQ test.[8]
In Hubbard’s 1951 book Handbook for Preclears, he set out instructions for Dianeticists to “cure” homosexuality. After claiming that the cause of homosexuality was a fixation on a dominant parent of the opposite sex, he advised: “Break this life continuum concept by running sympathy and grief for the dominant parent and then run off the desires to be an effect and their failures and the homosexual is rehabilitated.
From Wikipedia
I know this story is ancient history by now, but I wanted to confirm that $ci really did claim that they could “Pray the Gay Away” (which of course they cannot any more than anyone else can heteroify people).
I have a good friend who joined for exactly that reason. I believe he was in Sea Org (and he looked adorable in his little uniform but that was about as far as it went). He got out, thankfully!
don’t u folks have anything better to do than judge everyone? look in the mirror, bet yer nose is too fat, yer haircut sucks, and yer lips are on yer butt cause yer all talking out yer asses
Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult sham. It is also homophobic. Kristie Allen has that awful sneer/smirk on her face. Creepy woman.
if scientology is so liberating and life-changing and wonderful, Kirstie Alley should have been able to control what she puts in her mouth and not have spiraled down to where she is in. She looks like a fat,miserable,washed-up used to be celebrity. I have lost respect for anyone even associated with this cult. What hogwash!